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Through His Eyes: An Interview with Aaron Woodley
Director Aaron Woodley has had an uphill battle to get where he is today. The Canadian once thought he'd never see the light of day for his debut feature Rhinoceros Eyes which got buried in the wine cellar of a New York producer, only to see it rise to the top with the help of Capri Films. Woodley was also set to work with megastar Mariah Carey and having a famous director for an uncle, he is sure to continue to gain speed. But the York film graduate certainly hasn't forgotten his roots.
Aaron recently took time out of his busy schedule working on his new flick Drone to talk with us about his famous uncle, Mariah Carey, and one helluva an imagination.
JXM: You've had an interesting path to where you are now. From producer, to editor, to animator, to director. What advice would you have for those who are aspiring directors?
Aaron: Keep at it and don't give up. It's a punishing, long road but if you refuse to go away, eventually you'll get there. It's often diificult to keep the faith but you must if you really want to make films. No one is going to hand you the responibility, you have to fight for it and continually prove yourself and often deal with crazy people who make your life a living hell. You'll doubt yorself and take harsh criticism and need to build a thick skin. Be nice to people and be pleasant to work with and prepare to compromise. If you're not nice and you can't compromise you won't last long.
JXM: How has editing and animating helped you hone your craft with directing?
Aaron: Animating not so much, but editing immensely. I've always thought that if you needed to get a license to direct a film, the training for that license should be editing. As a director, knowing how shots fit together to form a scene and how scenes fit together to form a movie is essential. Editors are like having a second director on the film. They're basiclly re-directing the film as they fit it together. It's like a director dumps a pile of fabric on the floor, and the editor sews it into a beautiful garment. But you have to dump the right pieces of fabric there for them. If you have a great script, great actors and a great editor, you'll have a great movie.
JXM: It is often mentioned that you are the nephew of Canadian director David Cronenberg in articles and bios. Does that ever become a hindrance to your work in that there are expectations for your films to look like David's?
Aaron: I believe that it does cause some unfair expectations only because I've read the reviews and they often mention how I'm not a good as David. Well of course I'm not. He's been at it for 30 years. I've made one feature film. They're comparing Rhinoceros Eyes to A History Of Violence and if they must compare they should be compaing my work to David's early works, Shivers and Rabid and so on. David improved over the years. So will I.
JXM: Do you ever try to distance yourself from him through your own work? Conversely, how has he been an influence on your work?
Aaron: I don't distance myself. I do not distance myself. I do my thing and if it seems similar or different to David's work so be it. I have no model for my career and I have no idea where it will go. Rhinoceros Eyes is very me.
JXM: Your films are incredibly imaginative and original as both Bed & Breakfast and Downpour illustrate. What is it that inspires you and/or where do you draw your ideas from?
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Aaron: That's good question. Rhinoceros Eyes and my short films are all deeply personal and come from a internal place. I try to be fearless in my writing and really put myself out there and not worry about whether or not people will like me or not. It's usually about 50/50 love or hate. My films have so far come from a child-like place. That may change, but I've always felt very strongly about the innocence and the imagination of childhood. If I could only make one film at this point I'd make a dark fairy tale. That's just what I love and what I'd want to pour my heart and soul into for 3 years of life. And I am developing a couple projects that are exactly that.
JXM: Tennessee has been getting quite a bit of attention as it stars this 'larger than life' pop star. Do you feel that the enigma that is Mariah Carey can or will overshadow the film?
Aaron: Mariah is truly a wonderful person. She's coming at the part from the right place, wanting to blend in and not be "Mariah Carey" but rather the character who is very different from herself. I think she's going to really suprise people and show her true acting chops. People will forget they're watching a pop diva immediately. I'm very excited for her because she's a lovely person and she deserves it. She's really been pouring herself into
the role and taking it very seriously. I think the film will be really good and stand on its own and not be overshadowed at all.
JXM: Tennessee doesn't seem to have your signature black comedy or dark overtones and is instead the "straight up tearjerker drama." Was it difficult to take on a different sort of genre?
Aaron: At this point I have moved off of the Tennessee project and onto another fillm called Drone which is more in line with what you might expect having seen my other work. I may go back to the Tennessee project, I may not. I was excited to direct Tennessee not only because it was a fantastic script, but precisely because it would help me not get pigeon-holed as a director who makes weird, quirky, dark movies. I thought it would be great to show people that I'm capable of different things early in my career. I've also always loved how someone like Stanley Kubrick could genre jump so effortlessly and never repeat himself.
JXM: You've said you don't want to be pigeonholed - would we be seeing you direct a Disney-esque film soon? An animated feature film?
Aaron: Disney? Hm. Haven't thought of that one. I don't know if Disney would hire me. But an animated film absolutley. That would be wonderful. Animation gives you so much freedom because you can do absolutely anything. You can let your imagination take you wherever it may and not think twice or worry about the budget. It's so freeing artistically. I find many animated films don't take advantage of that. They stick to reality (other than having cute
little talking animals who behave exactly like humans). You can go so much further with animation and so yes, an animated feature is a must for me. I need to start writing.
JXM: Going through Madstone was a harrowing experience for you. But out of the experience what would you say you've taken most out of it?
Aaron:Madstone was insane. One day I'm going to write a book about it and nobody is going to belive that it happened and I didn't make it all up. Maybe that will be my animated film. But what I gained is a great producer and friend Jessica Levin whom I recently started a company with Twilight Films and also the sense that after that experience, everything is going to be uphill. Which is great really because now I feel like there's nothing and no one that I can't handle. I got the worst out of the way my first time out of the gate and I made it through and I'm still here and I haven't left the business and I wasn't institutionalized. I guess it helped me build up new coping mechanisms which all directors must have. The more the better. Believe me.
JXM: As a member of iKlipz.com, do you think these sort of outlets - internet, broadband, video phone downloads - help to open up the often exclusive film community for independent directors?
Aaron: Sure. With short films in particular. Really the only places you can see short films are at film festivals or on the internet. Time will tell if the phone downloads catch on, but certainly the internet is perfect for shorts and I've always belived that the more exposure you can get them the better. You make films to be seen, not sit on a shelf in your room.
JXM: You were a speaker at Ryerson University for their film students not too long ago and you seem to be very involved in wanting to help mentor filmmakers. Do you think there is more of a need in the film community for this type of fostering (especially in the Canadian industry) and a more hands on approach to connecting students with professionals?
Aaron: Yeah, I think it's great to have people in the industry interact with film students. When I was a student at York University, Atom Egoyan came in, as did the guys from Rhombus and it was inspiring because it brought that world which you felt is so far away, closer to your own and makes it seem more attainable. You can do it kids! If I can you can!
JXM: Can you tell us more about Drone?
Aaron: It's a film I'll be directing in November. We're shooting in Toronto with a Canadian cast and crew. Garth Drabinsky and Joel B. Michaels are producing, and the script was written by Jon Felson and Rusty Gorman based on a short story by T.C. Boyle about a family who adopts a child with an unusal obsession for bees. It's a great psycholigical thriller and I'm in pre-prodduction and casting right now. I'm expecting to get stung a lot. Last I checked I wasn't allergic.
JXM: Thanks for talking with us!
Aaron: Thank you!
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A big thank you to Aaron Woodley for taking a moment out of his busy schedule working on Drone to chat with us. Check out Rhinoceros Eyes and his official site!
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